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Reply with quote | #1 | Folks-
As most of you know, there is a lot of talk in the media, in front of Congress, in the press, etc. about how far these lenders are going to work with borrowers to modify loans to 'help' the borrowers who are, or who may be in trouble...
So I ask:
1. Has anyone actually had their loan modified? a. If so, has it been in favorable terms?
2. Has anyone even been approached by their lender to modify their loan? a. If so, which lender? 3. Have you asked your lender for help? a. What lender? b. What was the response.
I would like to see if these folks are actually doing what their press releases are saying, or is it just to keep the wolves at bay...
ANYONE???
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My husband had an extremely serious surgery (2 abd aneurysm) a few months ago so I contacted them via e-mail and they sent me a letter refusing the modification because our income didn`t change enough. We got a month behind and they sent us a letter and I haven`t completed it yet. |
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Reply with quote | #3 | SRSD-
Sorry about the medical issues, and I am sure that the added stress doesn't help! My best wishes for a speedy recovery!
I asked as well, and was told no way!! In fact, they told me that they were not allowed to do it; what do you think about that?
I read their PSA, and knew that they could if they wanted, but they told me that they could not. Could it be that they really just want my house?
I really wonder how many folks here are getting the promised 'help!' In fact, I should have added another category to my question:
1. Has anyone actually had their loan modified? a. If so, has it been in favorable terms? 2. Has anyone even been approached by their lender to modify their loan? a. If so, which lender? 3. Have you asked your lender for help? a. What lender? b. What was the response.
So, we have 2 that asked for help and 2 that were told NO!
MSFraud monitors: can we get a thread locked concerning people who have asked for and/or received help? We could track the number of folks that have been offered help, and whether or not it was actually favorable. We could also track how many people asked for help and whether or not it was allowed. We could also track which companies are actually doing what they said, etc. This could prove to be an interesting statistic, and I would be happy to help put the thread together with the right questions, etc.
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The one thing I am finding out reading all of your posts is that there is something missing. The reason that we are all in this mess in the first place is because of these lenders and servicers we are dealing with. THEY LIE!!!
I have noticed that when I file a complaint with the FTC or my state representative, their replies state that we are in bad loans and they are trying to get some consumer protection.
All of us on this site know that the reason that we have not been able to correct the problems we are having with these lenders and servicers are due to their lies.
I know that I will never talk to my servicer (HomEq Servicing) again by phone unless I can record them. In my state I have to inform them that they are being recorded. If they refuse to let me record them, I will hang up and only make contact with them in writing. I suggest you all do the same.
Just remember that we need to stress to everyone that we are not refusing to pay our debts. I believe everyone here has tried to correct their problem. If only these companies were truthful. Apparently there is no profit in honesty from these companies.
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I have an adjustable rate mortgage, which is going to adjust in March 2008. I cannot refinance because of the appraisal coming in too low due to market slowdown. I received a letter from my servicer ASC offering me options since my rate will adjust in 2008.
I contracted them and they told me I pre-qualify for a loan modification . I faxed them over a financial worksheet with all info. They told me it takes up to 45 days before I know something. I called ASC today ( I call almost every other day), to check on my status and they told me that they are actually working on my situation. Hopefully I will know something soon. They will contact me either by mail or phone.
I have never been late on my mortgage, but if the rate adjusts I will not be able to stay current. I explained that to them in my hardship letter.
Some lenders are now sending out letters to their customers with A.R.M. loans offering options. I suggest that all who receive these letters should respond A.S.A.P. as this is a very slow and delicate process. Lina |
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Lina, If ASC really starts working with you then this will be the first positive thing I have ever heard about them. I am with them too and have not received such a letter / offer. I have my doubts. America’s Servicing Company dba Fells Fargo is evil and crooked and I do not expect anything good from them. But I do hope it works out for you. Just don’t expect too much until you actually see things happening coming from their side. GOOD LUCK |
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Reply with quote | #7 | First of all, if you're considering a loan modification, think twice.
My experience:
3 years ago my husband had open heart surgery and was off work for 6 weeks. I had a minimal paying job and he recieved disability pay. Needless to say, our mortgage servicer foreclosed the first month we were late. No offer to work with us up front. Had to do it cause we owed several months of late fees (even though we made sure our payment was there by the first of the month)..
We hired an attorney to stop the foreclosure. Several hundred dollars later and nearly a year after the foreclosure, my servicer offered a loan modifcation. They would apply all the past payments to the end of our loan. (totaling nearly 16,000 dollars) Our illustrious attorney advised us to take the deal so we could save our home. The appraisal (set up by the servicing company) came back. Amazingly it fell into the values of the property in the area. So we agreed. Our interest rate stayed the same but our payment went up $400 a month.
We decided to get smart and sent all our payments by cashiers check and certified mail to make sure that they were recieved on time and no more late charges could be assessed. Well, our 1st payment was "never recieved" even though we had a signature that proved it was. Got a copy of the check from the bank and someone had forged our signature on the back (got my first name wrong) and cashed it. Had to be an inside job... I brought that to the attention of our servicer and amazingly 2 months later they "discovered" that our payment had been credited to the wrong account. Of course, from then on, all our payment were behind. They foreclosed again.
This time we're giving up. They offered us another loan modification. (how generous...) this time it's going to be another years' worth of payments. The house is not worth that much and no matter what we do they will find another way to foreclose again. This is how they make their money. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me... I hate to lose my home but I will not be their fool again. We will survive..
My Lender?? Litton Loan Servicing / US Bank NA
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Reply with quote | #9 | Aurora,
Wow, how very, very sad. It's amazing what some "people" will do for money. Just a few years ago, I would have never believed such a story, that a corrupt and blatantly criminal organization could exist in this country, much less thrive. But then I met Ocwen, and after that Litton. Believe me, I have absolutely no doubt of what you say at all. And that makes the whole situation even more sad, to say the least.
Best luck to you!
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Reply with quote | #11 | I have been lurking on this board for sometime now as I have my loan through litton and have faced many many troubles since june of 2006. in order to save our house I have tried the bankruptcy path along with several others and only dug a deeper hole each time. when I was faced with an Oct foreclosure this past month I thought I would try one last time, Our home is on family owned land and this was our dream home... like many of yours I am sure.
we got a letter int he mail from a Mortgage relief group who assured us they could get us a loan Mod. it was a cost of 1000.00 but I thought what do I have to lose ? nothing but my home thats for sure! so long story short they negotiated a deal through Litton that took us from a ARM loan which had maxed out at 13% and a 2100.00 payment to a 8% fixed rate at 1400.00 a month payment which we can afford and we are now able to keep our house. well worth the 1000.00 we paid to the relief group and our plan is to make 12 payments and the refi to a lower rate and better company.
in our case this worked , it might not for all.
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Reply with quote | #12 | I came across this
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With her successful home day-care business buoying her optimism, Shannon Carr signed off on her mortgage and moved into a bigger house in a nicer neighborhood. "All I saw was that I was approved and I was going to get a house," said Carr, whose business soon faltered after the move because her Cincinnati neighborhood was already saturated with day-care options. She was forced to start up a new business in the janitorial field. It was then she found out her mortgage had an adjustable rate that was ticking upward while her finances were headed south. Carr nearly lost her home, but was able to keep it with the help of a new loan program in Ohio that targets middle-class homeowners struggling to stay in their homes in a market that has drastically shifted. Through the Home Ownership Center of Greater Cincinnati, Carr received a few thousand dollars she used to reach a settlement with her bank and stay in her home. As one of 12 Ohio nonprofit organizations that are part of the NeighborWorks Ohio Foreclosure Prevention Initiative, the Cincinnati organization is helping dole out $3.1 million in state money for loans to homeowners with incomes in a range that reaches to just above the median in their geographic areas. Recipients must have experienced some sort of circumstance beyond their control, such as a job loss, a divorce or illness. Besides Pennsylvania, which has an extensive loan program that includes help for the middle class, Ohio's program is unique in providing help for those of average means, said Paul Poston, Great Lakes district director for NeighborWorks. The new program, a pilot that could be expanded based on demand, was approved by the Ohio Housing Finance Agency in April and rolled out in September. Most loans are $3,000, but they can reach $5,000. Paired with a program for lower-income residents, the roughly $4.5 million total funding available is expected to help about 1,500 Ohio families - "a drop in the bucket" of the overall mortgage meltdown, Poston said. But Ohio has been in front of the mortgage crisis more than most other states because a loss of manufacturing jobs spurred a high number of foreclosures before problems in the mortgage industry began to surface, Poston said. Ohio had 44,594 foreclosed homes in the first six months of 2007, and the state's foreclosure rate has been higher than the national average for every quarter since the end of 1998. Through September, Ohio had the highest number of people receiving counseling, 6,200, from a national hot line run by the Homeownership Preservation Foundation. In July and August, 14 percent of households receiving counseling had incomes over $72,000, while 21 percent had incomes between $51,000 and $72,000. The crisis is "affecting people across the income spectrum," Poston said. The Ohio organizations that make up NeighborWorks went to the Housing Finance Agency because they were being approached by many homeowners they could not help because they didn't meet requirements for the program for lower-income homeowners. Rick Williams, president and chief executive of the Cincinnati organization, said many were blindsided by the fundamental shifts in the mortgage. Appraisals were artificially high, and mortgage terms previously used only for wealthier home buyers were repackaged for those of modest means, he said, and people were able to buy homes on terms they never should have been able to. "The whole industry changed on people, and that's something the savvy and the non-savvy are victim of," Williams said.
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| JOHN MANIACI -- State Journal | Ray Heberer and sons, Dalton, 6, Blade, 10, and Hutch, 12, play with their dog, Shadow, behind their Janesville home. Heberer and his wife, Erica, who suffers from lupus, are facing foreclosure for the second time. |
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SAT., OCT 6, 2007 - 10:52 PM Poor health often a cause of foreclosure By Marv Balousek 608-252-6135 Ray and Erica Heberer, of Janesville, are among the faces behind Wisconsin 's rising foreclosure statistics. Foreclosure was filed against them a second time on Aug. 20 after Erica said she made a recent payment with a personal check instead of a cashier 's check and the payment was rejected. Their problems began more than a year ago when Erica 's lupus became worse. Lupus is a disease that affects the immune system, causing the body to attack its own healthy cells. Erica 's husband, who now works at Blain 's in Beloit, the company that operates Farm & Fleet stores, had to stay home and care for her. The Heberers were unable to make their payments and their lender, Litton Loan, filed for foreclosure. The Heberers, who have three children ages 6, 10 and 12, hired a private foreclosure counselor who took their money and provided no help. Then they hired Laura Schuster, another private foreclosure counselor, who worked with the lender to modify the loan and add the past-due amount to the end of it. The foreclosure case of the Heberers is fairly typical because health problems are a leading cause of mortgage delinquencies, said Kate Nardi, a housing counselor with the Dane County Housing Authority. Over the past year, 742 foreclosure filings have been reported in Dane County, nearly four times the 205 filings during the previous 12 months, according to RealtyTrac, an online database of foreclosure properties. In August, the county had 103 foreclosure fillings, up 43 percent from a year ago. Filings include properties at any stage of foreclosure, including default notices, auction sale notices and bank repossessions. Those statistics, part of a nationwide increase in foreclosures, have translated into a rise in the number of calls Nardi said she 's getting. "I get about five calls a week from folks who are experiencing some sort of financial difficulty, " she said. "It 's a very labor-intensive job to try and interface with loan servicers. " She said about half of her clients are subprime borrowers, who often have bad credit and were only able to qualify for mortgages at higher interest rates than conventional loans. Others have adjustable-rate mortgages that can reset to higher rates, eventually putting the monthly payments out of their financial reach. Ron Steinhofer, president of the Wisconsin Mortgage Bankers Association, said borrowers facing foreclosure should check with their lender about renegotiating their loan or with local lenders about refinancing at a lower interest rate. Missed payments As with the Heberers, a missed payment can quickly start the foreclosure process again. Deb Marks, of Baraboo, said a recent payment that Countrywide Home Loans reportedly didn 't receive caused the lender to cancel a repayment plan negotiated last year after the lender filed for foreclosure. "I got into a car accident last month and told them the payment would be late, " she said. "They won 't even take my payment until I set up a new payment plan. " She said a payment was wired on Aug. 31, but the lender said it didn 't make the Sept. 4 deadline. Marks said she and her husband, Bo Mikolajek, bought their old farmhouse just outside Baraboo five years ago. Three years ago, they got an adjustable-rate mortgage from Countrywide with an initial 3.9 percent interest rate that eventually grew to 8 percent. The mortgage was in her mother 's name, Marks said, and her mother had difficulty making payments after she had a stroke. Schuster helped negotiate the loan modification plan. Marks, who works in household maintenance, said she spent money during the summer upgrading the doors, windows and landscaping. "I 'm disgusted, " she said. "If I didn 't think things were going to be all right, I wouldn 't have stuck a lot of money in it. " Couple lost jobs Even military service in Iraq didn 't slow down the foreclosure process for Beth and Harvey Copeland, of Delavan. The Copelands fell behind on their mortgage, then owned by Countrywide Home Loans, a couple of years ago when both Harvey and Beth lost their jobs and had to settle for lower-paying ones. Beth left St. Coletta of Wisconsin in Jefferson to do home health care while Harvey, a mechanic, wound up working in an auto parts store. They had trouble making the payments and Harvey re-enlisted with the Wisconsin National Guard to qualify for a different job in Whitewater. He was sent to Iraq three weeks later but returned after six months after he was injured in a fall. The Countrywide loan payment was about $1,000 a month and a second equity loan payment was about $250. After Schuster helped them straighten out the tangled paperwork, the Copelands refinanced with Household Finance Corp. "It was definitely better than going into foreclosure or going into bankruptcy, " said Beth Copeland, adding that the family filed for bankruptcy 10 years ago. "I 'm hoping that we just have (Household Finance) for a few years and then find someone else with a lower interest rate. " Losing the house would have been more painful, Beth Copeland said, because it had been built by Harvey 's father. They have lived there with their two children for about a decade. Wrote foreclosure book Schuster, who helped the Heberers, Copelands and Deb Marks avoid foreclosure, wrote a book on surviving foreclosure and started a business called the Home Redemption Institute after going through two home foreclosures herself. She is developing a nationwide network of home redemption specialists to help homeowners avoid foreclosure. In the mid-1990s, a credit union filed a foreclosure action against Schuster and her husband on their Janesville home during a divorce. She managed to find a buyer instead of losing the home. Another lender filed a foreclosure action against Schuster in 2004 on her Madison home when she said she was $16 short in paying a late fee. In a successful effort to save that home, Schuster and a friend started a cleaning business, sold prepaid legal services and took another job with an agency that serves the developmentally disabled. Schuster, who describes herself as an "intrepid entrepreneur " who has started women 's health clubs, marketed personalized purses, sold real estate and raised foster children, said she was inspired by her brushes with foreclosure to write "The Homeowners Do-It-Yourself Guide to Save Your Home from Foreclosure, " which sells for $299. The price includes some consultation. She said she offered foreclosure counseling for a $1,500 fee until January, when she was asked to stop charging money for the counseling by the state Department of Financial Institutions because she is not a licensed credit counselor. Schuster said finding a way to help homeowners facing foreclosure is most important. "You don 't have to sit there and be a victim of your circumstances, " she said. "The information needs to get out there. " COMING MONDAY: Real estate bust leads to a wave of foreclosures in an Arizona neighborhood built on easy credit.
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| I to have Countrywide and am almost 3 months behind on our house payment. I try to deal with them and there attitudes are basically if you dont have X amount of money now then forget it. My husband is an otr truck driver and had to have eye surgery which kept him off the road for 3 weeks at first. He ended up getting an infection that threatened him possiblt losing 75 to 100% of vision in his left eye. After another 6 weeks of treatment, another surgical procedure, and recovery time, he was finally healed enough to get back to work. On his third day back to work his vision started going in and out and he had to stop driving again. He was many states away and ended up having to pay out of pocket almost twice what he was making to have someone come and finish his haul on time. We used up the little savings we had (we have 3 kids all under the age of 9) and were basically borrowing money to make ends meet. Any way, my husband is FINALLY okay and driving again with no problems (it was just some minor swelling that hadn't healed completely yet). We've had our home going on 5 years now. We originally had a different mortgage company but refinanced with Countrywide about 16 months ago. We've been late just twice before since we've lived here. The first time was just 2 weeks late and the second was 32 days. Otherwise we always pay on time plus extra towards the principal. Sorry for getting into our whole sob story. I know lots of people are having problems lately. We are getting all kinds of calls and letters from people saying for us to sell our home or to file bankruptcy. The story doesn't have a number to call the lady who helkped the other people. We live just outside of Oregon and I was wondering if anyone knows if Laura Shuster works in our area. All we need is just a little bit of time to get back on track. I took some work babysitting for one of my husband's clients two boys. We love our home and dont want to move. This is the only home my 4 year old knows. thanks again for anyone's help. Luanne. | savetheirhome.com Forumite Joined: 10/07/2007 Total posts: 1
| I'm sorry to read of your trouble. Please visit our web site. It will give you all the information you need. http://www.savetheirhome.com http://www.homeredemptioninstitute.com Both URL's get you to our site. The first is easier to spell! Take care. Sincerely, Laura Schuster |
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Reply with quote | #14 | OK, for those of you keeping score at home, it looks like maybe 2 or 3 folks have been offered a modification, and all of those came with the help of advocacy groups!
So all of this talk about loan mods, mod squads, and servicers reaching out to help those who have been impacted by this problem is dubious at best.
Let's keep counting and see what the data shows!
Litton- 1 mod (with help from advocacy group) SPS- rejected 2 who asked HomeEq- 1 request still waiting EMC-??? Wells Fargo-??? WAMU- ???
So all the folks that read this board, we have come up with only one (the others are from news reports) who has successfully worked out a modification with their lender/servicer. I'd love to be able to keep a scoreboard with the data, and I will see what kind of graphic I can come up with.
Keep those cards and letters coming, and we can "report" to those who are interested just how consumer friendly these parasites (sorry, businesses) are being. The data speaks for itself folks!!
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FYI, I took a spin through Laura Schuster's http://www.homeredemptioninstitute.com . She fully admits that she's not an attorney of any kind and that none of what she or her company offers should be construed as "legal advice". Strictly in my own opinion, your mileage may vary, objects may uglier than they appear in the mirror, I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV, contents are extremely hot and may burn you if you spill them on yourself you idiot - I get the impression that there are some well-oiled snakes in Wisconsin. I wonder if Dustin Diamond (my inspiration) used her program or if he sold enough t-shirts to save his Wisconsin property...
Anyone who waves someone off from seeking competent legal advice and advocates that you can save your home from foreclosure yourself just by purchasing their book or program or toe nail clippings should be examined extremely carefully before making any final decisions. |
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Schuster, who describes herself as an "intrepid entrepreneur " who has started women 's health clubs, marketed personalized purses, sold real estate and raised foster children, said she was inspired by her brushes with foreclosure to write "The Homeowners Do-It-Yourself Guide to Save Your Home from Foreclosure, " which sells for $299. The price includes some consultation. She said she offered foreclosure counseling for a $1,500 fee until January, when she was asked to stop charging money for the counseling by the state Department of Financial Institutions because she is not a licensed credit counselor
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Reply with quote | #17 | Joe, Being offered a modication is far and away from actually getting a modification. IMHO these 'mod offers' are a ploy just like EMC's PR spin on their 'Mod Squat' created to give illusion that servicers are trying to do the right thing when in actuality they continue to $crew us over.
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Reply with quote | #18 | Blossom-
I totally agree with you!!! I don't think any of these servicers are really trying to offer any help at all. I think they throw out sound bites and statistics that try to show how they are 'helping' people. However, I think the reality is far from what the press releases would suggest!
That's why I want to start counting! Let's see how may people are offered help, from what company the help is offered, whether it was under favorable terms, and whether or not it is consummated.
So far the lack of responses support my hypothesis! It doesn't look like any one is getting much help so far... let the numbers speak for themselves!
I would love to be proven wrong!
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Joe B, I have EMC Mortgage when they first came out with the Mod Square team I call and they told me they would send me papers to fill out well I never got them. Then I call them again and since I had file bankruptcy they told me they would only talk to my lawyer so I call my lawyer and he call them and noting was don't only that I got a bill from my bankruptcy lawyer for 1,142.50 for talking with them and getting a break down from them That it. Now when they came out with these other programs I call Home ownership Prevention Foundation and they just took all my information they work with NovaDelt and then they just send me a Budget Analysis with all my bills and they told me to call Rural World. Rural World told me they could not help me that they just help first time home buyer purchasing a home. Rural World told me to call my local politicians and legal aide I call legal aid but they are just taking cases that on inforclosure right now. From their I called North East district office and they told me they could not help me because I didn't live in their area but the lady was very help full she call someone and she said I would get a call from Neighborhood works I did and the person gave me another place to call which is Hudson River Housing I call them about 6 time till I got the person after leaving messages to call me I spoke with her she said she would get back to me and as of yet no one has contact me. So I search some more and I call affordable housing partnership the person I spoke to was very nice and she gave me an appointment for Oct 25 now let see what happens. Oh I also call about the Keep the Dream and they told me they could not help me because of the bankruptcy and I also called Hope and noting. |
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Reply with quote | #20 | Smurf-
I have so much empathy, you cannot imagine. The fact of the matter is that this issue is complex, most people either don't understand it or believe us, and there really are no easy solutions. Despite the countless Non-Governmental-Organizations (NGO's) out there, the fact is that few of them are equipped or financed to help with this problem. They are staffed with well meaning but too few people with too little resources, and no real power.
If you read the boards, (I know you have Smurf), you will see that few lawyers get it, although more and more are beginning. Few politicians get it, and if they do, are more concerned with protecting their big donors, who are either:
1. The businesses that are causing this or are involved with this. 2. The big investors who don't want to see their investment fail.
Therefore, any interest they have is not to the borrower, because even in aggregate, we do not represent a movement that can impact their electability. All they have to do is issue clever sound bites, chair a study group on this issue, sound morally indignant, and then do nothing...
So, that leaves us to protect ourselves, and help each other. While I urge you to reach out to these various organizations, I doubt that you will receive much assistance, although I hope you do! I believe that some may try very hard, but few if any will have any real success.
So, see if there's a lawyer who can help, and let us help with the process, and we will see if we can help you get through this. I know there are others on the board that are willing to help. Let us know how we can help and work you through this.
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Reply with quote | #21 | JB I know that some of these Organizations people would really like to help but like you said they have know power they are just given some funds to hear some of us out I guess so we can feel the the govement is doing something about it to help us. I M sure they will forget everything after election.Here is one of my blog wher I post articles on all that are runing and have been given some kind of money from Lenders.You Know JB I think I have learn alot since this happen to us.JB are you a lawyer or just a victim.I would love any help I can get and thanks.Smurf
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I called and asked about modification and forebarence becuse my husband had double anurysms surgery and right before that he had 4 heart stents and the year before I was on life support for 4 weeks but no deal. we was 2 payments behind and was going to send them entire amt and we got 3 letters in one day.....one was the regular from Ameriquest, the second was a letter from Deustch bank saying not to send it to Ameriquest and the 3rd from Citi finicial saying send it to them. I didn`t know where to send anything so I e-mailed an attorney and then tried to call. I never did figure out where to send it because I couldn`t get in touch with them and in 2 more days foreclosure notice was in newspaper. |
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Loan Servicers Create New Mortgage Snags link Chase Home Finance, a unit of JPMorgan Chase & Co. and the third-largest servicer with contracts for $722.8 billion worth of loans, said it has bolstered its staff that deals directly with customers in recent months. It is also warning home owners a few months ahead of when rates are scheduled to change. Chase has some flexibility to modify loans on its own, but does have to run some requests by the mortgages' owners, said spokesman Thomas Kelly. As of Sept. 1, the Jenningses' servicer is Citi Residential Lending, a unit of Citigroup that acquired AMC from ACC Capital Holdings. The company would not comment on the Jennings case, citing confidentiality agreements. |
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Finally, Action on Home Mortgages by Bush Administration and Congress
By Andrew Jakabovics
Until this past week, policy makers had pinned their hopes for a solution to the burgeoning home mortgage crisis on mortgage service companies, which are the only point of contact for delinquent and soon-to-be delinquent borrowers seeking modifications to mortgages purchased by investors in the form of mortgage-backed securities. Problem was, mortgage servicers had modified only 1 percent of the adjustable interest rate loans that reset in January, April, and July of this year.
In light of that sobering fact, U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson deserves credit for recognizing that something had to give if borrowers in trouble were ever going to catch a break. And Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) should be applauded for proposed legislation to allow government-supported Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to purchase additional mortgages from subprime borrowers who seek to refinance on the secondary market to resell as mortgage-backed securities. Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) is expected to introduce similar legislation in the House in the near future. But first, kudos to Paulson for bringing the largest mortgage servicers together with state and local agencies and housing counselors to participate in the new HOPE NOW partnership. Paulson displayed seriousness and pragmatism in this response to the subprime mortgage crisis, and we expect to see him holding servicers to their words and tracking their efforts to help as many homeowners as possible. Among the voluntary steps the members of the HOPE NOW partnership have agreed to take are contacting at-risk borrowers, albeit through direct mail rather than the far more effective step of making phone calls; adopting standards and processes to strengthen communications between servicers and counselors; expanding the capacity of the existing network of counselors to connect borrowers to their servicers; and creating technological solutions to link counselors and servicers, which they believe can streamline the process and allow them to help as many borrowers as possible. Ultimately, the HOPE NOW partnership emphasizes outreach to borrowers as the way to help homeowners stay in their homes. Secretary Paulson reiterated this perspective in his introductory remarks saying, “Only through better integration of their efforts can mortgage counselors and mortgage servicers reach the greatest number of borrowers facing payments they can't meet and only with increased coordination can they be more effective in finding solutions for those homeowners.” When the secretary next meets with the servicers, he needs to follow up with them to find out how many new people they have trained to make loan modifications, how many loans have been modified, and under what circumstances. These efforts to expand outreach to borrowers and potentially increase the numbers of loans modified will be helpful, when coupled with the expanded ability of subprime borrowers to refinance their loans into prime, fixed rate loans under yesterday’s proposals by Schumer and Frank that would temporarily lift the portfolio limits on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—with $125 billion of the expanded portfolios required to be used to fund refinancing subprime loans. But much more needs to be done. In the case of HOPE NOW, even if servicers were to rapidly increase the numbers of loans they modified, it would not prevent enough foreclosures to protect our communities and economy from serious harm. Not all troubled loans can reasonably be expected to be modified, particularly in communities where significant declines in housing prices have left many borrowers owing more than their homes are worth. Similarly, lifting the portfolio caps will not help someone who is looking to refinance a loan worth more than the house is worth. Given that stark reality, congressional leaders must demonstrate that they also understand the seriousness of this crisis by pressing the secretary to join them in yet bolder responses. Indeed, we can only hope that as the HOPE NOW partnership moves forward, it develops more robust outreach capacity than is currently demonstrated on its website, which is bereft of any meaningful content and web design fundamentals. Still, Paulson's productive jawboning also yielded yesterday’s statement from the American Securitization Forum, which clarified that mortgage servicers can be reimbursed for the costs of counseling from a mortgage pool’s cash flows when “the related counseling service has had or is likely to have the effect of mitigating losses or maximizing recoveries on the particular loan.” The ASF statement seems to make clear that investors in mortgage-backed securities are willing to forgo some returns in the form of counseling costs with the expectation of greater returns down the road created by lower default rates. This should, theoretically, give servicers greater latitude not only to make changes to loan terms that they believe will reduce defaults, but also to pass on the costs that they incur in revitalizing moribund loss mitigation departments. From the perspective of the servicers, bringing counselors into the potentially fraught relationship with the borrowers can serve a mediating purpose, with the expectation that professionally trained counselors can help lower default rates. Four months ago, the ASF issued a similar directive indicating that loan restructuring should not jeopardize the tax treatment of the sales of the mortgages into the secondary markets. The ASF’s position was supported by similar opinions from the Mortgage Bankers Association, a tax Q&A issued by Deloitte and Touche, the Financial Services Roundtable, and, ultimately, the Securities and Exchange Commission. Even earlier, the Federal Reserve Board of Governors issued statements encouraging lenders and servicers to work with borrowers “to consider prudent workout arrangements that avoid unnecessary foreclosures.” There is now ample evidence from both the public and private sectors that mortgage servicers are empowered to make changes to loans in order to keep borrowers in their homes while still protecting investors’ interests. Now we must watch the servicers carefully to make sure their deeds match their rhetoric. The HOPE NOW partnership, which has promised to measure and report their progress on their “action plan,” wants to see “common communications guidelines that will be used to respond to at-risk borrowers in order to offer them the best possible solutions, customized for each borrower.” But it remains to be seen whether the servicers will simply develop highly customized ways of saying “no” or if the responses result in actual loan modifications. Real action would range from minor changes, such as temporary adjustments to monthly payments and extending payment periods, to more comprehensive restructuring of loan terms by converting loans from adjustable rates to fixed rates, reducing interest rates, or writing off part of the principal balance. Those steps would actually benefit borrowers. And keep a close eye on the actual number of restructured loans. Case in point: Of the 450,000 delinquent loans serviced by HOPE NOW partner Countrywide Financial Corporation, only about 1,000 loans are set for interest rate reductions. The HOPE NOW partnership pins great hopes on the ability of counselors to help borrowers navigate the often difficult path to loan modification, and counselors have indicated that some servicers in the partnership have been open to making modifications in the past. It is not at all certain, however, that housing counselors will be able to convince servicers to make many of the most urgently needed modifications. By most accounts, the chances of getting a modification are high in cases where an individual payment is missed, such as when an unexpected medical bill means a family faces the stark choice of paying the doctor or the mortgage. With a counselor’s assistance, a servicer may be more willing to work out an arrangement to make up the missed payment at a later date. But it is far from clear that servicers are willing at this point to make major changes to loan terms when the default is a function of an adjustable rate mortgage whose monthly payment has jumped 42 percent, which is the average payment increase for loans made between 2004 and 2006. It is even harder to see how borrowers, counselors, and servicers, who must negotiate the terms of each loan modification one at a time, will be able to help the growing number of borrowers who need help. Voluntary loan modification, which is ultimately the goal of HOPE NOW, is not a magic bullet that can save all of the estimated 2.2 million households that are expected to enter foreclosure in the coming years. Loan modification is particularly hard to come by for borrowers in falling housing markets who have loan balances in excess of the value of their homes. These borrowers also face similar challenges when trying to refinance into Federal Housing Administration loans or conforming loans backed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, even with the expanded caps as proposed by Sen. Schumer and Rep. Frank. Failure to help these families will have a much broader economic impact as their homes enter foreclosure, yet the existing partnerships, policies, and programs are incapable of addressing this growing need. Thus, while HOPE NOW is a testament to Secretary Paulson’s appreciation for the seriousness of the current mortgage crisis, he needs partners on Capitol Hill who will push him and the Bush administration further to address some of those defaulting loans that private servicers will not be cajoled into modifying on their own. Targeting funds for refinancing subprime loans under Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s portfolio expansion is also part of a broader solution that can help some, but by no means all, troubled borrowers. Overall, an appropriate public response must not provide an unnecessary bailout of lenders who made unconscionable loans or homeowners who knowingly bet the farm and lost. Similarly, we do not pretend we can or should prevent every foreclosure. With those caveats in mind, we must do our utmost to address the legitimate needs of the broad sweep of middle class homeowners whose only form of wealth has been in homeownership, most of whom never took out a subprime loan, and whose wealth could deteriorate quickly with falling house prices—especially in heavily affected communities. There is an unquestionable need to prevent the continuing foreclosure wave from being a contagion to the larger economy with consequences for middle class wealth, job creation and wages, the effects of which we may only be beginning to see now. And there is far more to be done before this crisis passes. We can expect that the pain of skyrocketing monthly payments on resetting adjustable rate mortgages may continue to be felt through the middle of 2010 on loans that were originated as late as this summer. For loans issued from 2004 through 2006, First American Core Logic, a mortgage risk analysis firm, projects that 12 percent of subprime loans and 7 percent of market-rate ARMs will default because of rate resets. They also projected that each 1 percent decline in national house prices would lead to an additional 70,000 foreclosures due to resets. Using a similar dataset, the Center for Responsible Lending projects nearly 20 percent of subprime loans will fail. That’s why greater outreach and a few modified loans are clearly insufficient to address the scope of the problem. We need to see the Senate move more quickly on FHA reform and approve the expansion of the portfolios of Government-Sponsored Enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to help subprime borrowers, even if it delays taking up GSE legislation that Treasury Secretary Paulson indicates must be moved before he will support the GSEs taking a broader role. And there are no signs indicating concern that the budget battle with the President will ultimately slow the process of getting needed counseling money out the door. In addition to the leadership demonstrated in the Senate by Sen. Schumer, Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) successfully included language to expand eligibility for Housing and Urban Development-financed housing counseling to all low- and moderate-income homeowners as part of FHA reform. And Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) raised prospects of allowing bankrutpcy judges to modify in bankruptcy the portion of a home mortgage that is no longer effectively secured and is negotiating, with Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) joining him on a bipartisan bill that could move through the Judiciary Committee. Most importantly, no one is seriously considering proposals that could make the most difference to borrowers unable to obtain loan modifications or to find a new loan that could be bought by the GSEs, such as directing funds to state housing finance agencies already equipped to safely refinance borrowers in default, or by re-establishing an entity like the Depression-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation and giving it short-term authority to directly issue troubled borrowers fully amortizing, fixed-rate first mortgages while buying out the existing lien holders at a discount. If our nation is going to prevent a wider contagion from the subprime mortgage crisis, Secretary Paulson, the Bush Administration, and leaders in Congress need to get serious about the full range of actions that it will take to achieve that goal. Increased outreach and loan modifications are a good start and, like GSE portfolio expansion targeted at subprime borrowers, are necessary components of an overall solution. But there are still far to many families who will be unable to get relief under any of the existing programs.
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CONSUMER BANKING How to handle a loan modification You'll have to jump through hoops to get mortgage terms changed By Gail Liberman and Alan Lavine Last Update: 7:30 PM ET Oct 15, 2007 PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla. (MarketWatch) -- You're suddenly notified of a higher monthly mortgage payment and you're unable to afford it. Yet you already have a substantial down payment on your home and have been paying your mortgage on time for a few years, building up some equity. You would think that would make you a good candidate for a loan modification, a change in the terms of your mortgage that would result in a payment you can afford. But you could be in for a surprise. Lenders may actually be quicker to foreclose on your home than they would on that of your neighbor, who put no money down and owes more than the home is worth! Why? Lenders would rather foreclose when they believe they can sell the home and recover out-of-pocket expenses, principal and interest and fees, says Warren Brasch, a Farmington Hills, Mich., consumer attorney and mortgage company general counsel. If you have substantial equity in your home, the chances the lender can sell and recoup the entire mortgage balance are much greater. Although it seems counterintuitive, you might have a better chance at negotiating a loan modification if you start letting your payments lapse. A missed loan payment can strengthen your case, according to Brasch. If you do seek a loan modification, expect to feel like you're beating your head against a brick wall. But don't give up. Too many people do, according to Brasch. "This is a problem that will not go away by itself. It will result in a sheriff's sale, foreclosure and eviction." Loan modification is "not a panacea," Brasch said. "There's just not a perfect solution to these problems. Typically, servicers will insist upon accrued interest." This generally means that a modification will lower your monthly mortgage payment or let you skip a few payments, but the term of your loan will be extended. Bottom line: You're paying off at least the same amount of debt and sometimes more. Expect frustration To get the process started, it's always best to ask for a lender's "loan mitigation department" or the "real estate owned (REO) department." Still, getting a modification can prove frustrating. "I can tell you the process takes a few hours a day regularly -- for anywhere from four to eight weeks. Some servicers have set up call centers in India, for example..." Expect documents and records to get lost as they're faxed back and forth. "I have clients who started making phone calls and faxes to four or five different people, a supervisor, were transferred to a division in Florida and ended up with a person in Southern California." Get a supervisor's name, and expect the process to repeat itself. It can be a tough task if you have to work for a living. The key is to prepare in advance, and let your lender know up front, with complete documentation, what kind of payment you can afford. This involves some homework before getting on the phone. Round up recent pay stubs, current or prior year W-2 forms, bank statements, property tax bills and insurance bills. If possible, obtain appraisal information for your home. Many property assessors' offices will have data online or you can obtain an estimate of value on real estate Web sites, although those are often inaccurate. Have you already tried unsuccessfully to sell your home? Have copies of your property listing agreement with the real estate agent. This way, you can demonstrate, for example, that you owe $200,000 on the mortgage and you haven't received a single offer on your $180,000 listing price in three months. "Make a point of showing and documenting to people you communicate with that there's no possibility I can afford the debts exceeding monthly income. I need to cut my payment to X dollars per month to make mortgage payments." Credit dings Always keep in mind that the lender and servicer don't want to go through the expense of evicting you. They prefer the option makes them more money or costs the least. Present your solution with that in mind. Remember that interest-rate reductions don't show up on credit reports. But expect any payment modification to show up on your credit report and hurt your future efforts to obtain loans. Don't expect a loan modification to necessarily get you out of debt either. But Brasch believes a loan modification may be faster and more lucrative than attempting to sue your lender for predatory lending violations, if you think your jump in payment is abusive. "Simply because a mortgage is facing an interest rate reset doesn't mean a homeowner was a victim of predatory lending," he warns. "Those that buy mortgages look over the paperwork carefully for loans written in violation of predatory lending laws."
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Reply with quote | #28 | Folks- OK, so Countrywide is offering more than 80,000 borrowers a chance to refinance or modify their existing loans allgedly into more favorable, or even prime loans. Surely one of those people read this board. So, has anyone really gotten an offer? Is it favorable? For those of you keeping score, there are 1 or 2 folks so far that have been offered a modification; out of the entire MSFraud.org universe... that's pitiful... So, has anyone else gotten an offer? How about you Countrywide folks. have any of you gotten an offer, and is it really favorable? How much will it cost you to refinance or modify your loan? Will you have to extend your loan? What will you have to give up to get these loans?
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSBNG13540520071023
Countrywide to offer refinance options
Reuters) - Countrywide Financial Corp (CFC.N: Quote, Profile, Research), which is in the middle of a crisis amid rising delinquencies and foreclosures, on Tuesday said it plans to offer refinancing options to subprime borrowers.
The largest U.S. mortgage lender said it will initiate a program to refinance or modify up to $16 billion of Countrywide loans for borrowers who are facing an adjustable-rate mortgage reset through the end of 2008. Countrywide said borrowers currently in a subprime loan with a strong payment history it will offer options to refinance into prime or Federal Housing Administration loans. For this group, the company said a special refinance unit has been created to contact about 52,000 borrowers to offer the refinance options and it has already identified about $10 billion of such mortgages. For the prime and subprime borrowers who are current but unable to qualify for a refinance and are likely to have difficulty affording an upcoming reset, the company is offering modification options. Under this option, Countrywide will modify $4.0 billion in loans for about 20,000 borrowers in an existing adjustable rate mortgage through the end of 2008. To cope with a deepening U.S. housing slump, Countrywide cut 4,935 jobs last month, and has plans to cut as many as 12,000 further jobs by December. Dozens of mortgage lenders have curtailed or quit operations this year as defaults have increased, home prices have fallen and investors have stopped buying many home loans. (Reporting by Ankur Relia in Bangalore) That works out to around $200K per loan being refinanced or modified, but more importantly, more than 70,000 people who will be helped according to Countrywide!!!! Or, this article
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/countrywide-offer-refinancing-subprime-borrowers/story.aspx?guid=%7B5A3748BB-FDCF-48F8-9D0B-9FCB78F99FE2%7D
Countrywide to offer refinancing on subprime loans By MarketWatch Last Update: 6:10 AM ET Oct 23, 2007 LONDON (MarketWatch) -- Countrywide Financial, the top mortgage lender in the U.S., said Tuesday it's going to give borrowers of subprime loans the chance to refinance to avoid losing their homes. Countrywide (CFC: Countrywide Financial Corp said it's going to launch an initiative to refinance or modify up to $16 billion in loans for borrowers who are facing an adjustable-rate mortgage reset through the end of 2008. It's creating a special refinance unit to contact 52,000 borrowers with $10 billion in loans and a strong payment history. The lender will offer borrowers options to refinance into prime loans or loans backed by the Federal Housing Administration. For another 20,000 borrowers with $4 billion in loans, Countrywide said it will "supplement" its early notification process to find "affordable solutions." For 10,000 more borrowers with $2.2 billion in loans who are current delinquent and facing financial difficulties because of a recent reset, Countrywide said it's implemented a simplified loan modification process on pre-approved terms. So this article says there are 10,000 more folks, for a total of 82,000 people they are going to help. I will be curious to hear what the terms of these offers will look like. I truly hope they are being sincere and folks are really going to get some relief; and not have to give up much to get the help. Time will tell... JB |
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Countrywide to Refinance Up to $16 Billion of Loans (Update7) By David Mildenberg and Sebastian Boyd Oct. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Countrywide Financial Corp., the biggest U.S. mortgage lender, will make it easier for customers to keep their homes by changing the terms on $16 billion of adjustable-rate mortgages. About 52,000 customers with subprime loans can refinance into prime or government-backed mortgages through next year, the Calabasas, California-based company said today in a statement. Such loans usually have lower rates. Another 30,000 who may miss payments, or are already late, will get more affordable terms. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson last week called the housing slump ``the most significant current risk to our economy'' and urged lenders to modify more loans. Countrywide, which funded more than 1.8 million mortgages this year, has been criticized by housing advocates who say the company has done little to stem record U.S. foreclosures. ``Lending has never been an altruistic business, but having lots of failed transactions on your books is never good,'' said Keith Gumbinger, vice president at HSH Associates, a mortgage research firm in Pompton Plains, New Jersey. While Countrywide will make less money, the modified mortgages are less likely to fail entirely, he said. Countrywide fell 63 cents, or 4 percent, to $15.05 in 4 p.m. New York Stock Exchange composite trading. The stock has declined 65 percent this year. ``None of our subprime borrowers that have demonstrated the ability to make payments should lose their home to foreclosure solely as a result of a rate reset,'' David Sambol, the company's president and chief operating officer, said in the statement. Setting Standards The program may cloud earnings comparisons, said a note by analyst Stuart Plesser at Standard & Poor's, who rates the shares ``hold.'' Charge-offs and late loans will probably fall below expected levels in early periods and rise later if borrowers still can't keep up with the new terms, he said. Overdue loans, measured as a percentage of unpaid principal, increased to 5.85 percent in September from 4.04 percent a year earlier, the company said Oct. 11. Foreclosures climbed to 1.27 percent from 0.51 percent. The data cover Countrywide's servicing business, which does billing and collections. ``This is a big step,'' said Bruce Marks, chief executive officer of Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America, after the company's plan was announced. ``Countrywide sets the standard for servicing and how lending gets done.'' The Boston-based advocacy group has demanded Countrywide make loan modifications easier. Marks praised the company's willingness to cut interest rates without charging a penalty fee. A call to Countrywide's media relations office wasn't immediately returned. Refinancing Plans The lender's plan, which includes creating a special unit to contact borrowers, lags behind Washington Mutual Inc., the biggest U.S. savings and loan. Seattle-based WaMu promised $2 billion in April to refinance subprime loans at discounted rates, and offered a traditional 30-year fixed-rate loan. The same month, New York-based Bear Stearns Cos. set up a loan modification team at its EMC Mortgage lending unit dubbed the ``Mod Squad'' to help borrowers avoid foreclosure. ``Countrywide's announcement to modify some loans is a welcome, if late, decision,'' Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd said in a statement. ``However, this problem reaches far beyond the 82,000 borrowers they have agreed to assist.'' About 100,000 U.S. subprime mortgages per month will reset to higher rates for the first time during the next two years, according to analysts at UBS AG. Loans Modified One percent of U.S. subprime mortgages with interest rates that began to adjust in January, April and July were modified to help homeowners avoid default, according to a study released last month by Moody's Investors Service. The amount isn't enough to make a meaningful cut in impending losses, Moody's said. Subprime mortgages go to borrowers with weak or incomplete credit histories. They made up about 20 percent of home loans issued last year and about 11 percent in the first half of this year, according to Inside Mortgage Finance, an industry newsletter. Overdue payments on subprime mortgages rose to the highest level in five years in the second quarter, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. Subprime borrowers have a higher risk of default because some adjustable subprime loans offered below-market ``teaser'' rates in the early years. Payments can double or triple after the teaser rate expires. Fewer Lenders While borrowers in 2005 and 2006 counted on refinancing before the teaser rate expired, home prices have fallen the most in 16 years during the current housing slump. That has pushed the value of some homes below the amount of the mortgage, making them ineligible to refinance, and some of the nation's biggest subprime home lenders including New Century Financial Corp. have gone bankrupt or left the business. Countrywide's program shifts shaky loans to the public sector by transferring mortgages to government-backed lenders such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, said Janet Tavakoli, president of Tavakoli Structured Finance Inc., a Chicago consulting firm. ``I don't see why Fannie and Freddie are bailing out Countrywide, which needs to own up to the magnitude of the problem,'' Tavakoli said. ``None of us wants to see disaster in the housing market, but these losses should be pushed back to investors and those who are holding the mortgages.'' The Securities and Exchange Commission has opened an informal inquiry into stock sales by Countrywide Chief Executive Officer Angelo Mozilo as the price was sliding, a person familiar with the matter told Bloomberg News Oct. 17. Regulators should have pushed for his ouster, Tavakoli said. ``I am astonished that Mozilo is still in the CEO's chair,'' she said. To contact the reporters on this story: David Mildenberg in Charlotte, North Carolina, at dmildenberg@bloomberg.net ; Sebastian Boyd in London at sboyd9@bloomberg.net Last Updated: October 23, 2007 16:41 EDT |
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| Chetera Miller, a credit counselor for Neighborhood Housing Services of Chicago, has noticed that lenders are becoming more willing to cut deals with delinquent borrowers. She's been able to help eight homeowners restructure their loans over the past few weeks. There's just one problem: That's only about half the number of financially strapped clients she's working with. Miller's caseload is expanding as more homeowners fall behind on their adjustable-rate mortgages. A public outcry against the mortgage industry is growing louder. Lawmakers, regulators and consumer advocates say they are increasingly worried about the fallout from a record number of homes going into foreclosure. They're pushing the industry to move faster to aid homeowners, by forgiving past-due amounts, lowering rates and shifting people into fixed-rate loans. Lawmakers also have proposed new rules, from a moratorium on foreclosures to tax changes. But so far, no one has a solution that would spare everyone from the pain of the mortgage crisis. The impact goes far beyond individual families or blighted neighborhoods. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson Jr., Federal Reserve officials and private economists say that what's become a full-blown housing recession threatens the overall economy. A sharp drop in home building and falling house prices could stifle consumer spending, raise unemployment and further spook the financial markets. More than 2 million homeowners are behind on mortgages. And 2 million more borrowers with tarnished, or subprime, credit will see their payments rise before the end of next year as their adjustable-rate mortgages, or ARMs, reset to higher levels that could prove unaffordable. Sheila Bair, chair of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., is frustrated by the slow pace of loan restructuring and refinancing. "Washington needs to push hard on this," she said. "Our message is, 'Prioritize these folks, if they can convert' (to fixed-rate loans). That will free up more time to deal with some of the more challenging cases." But Larry Litton Jr., head of Litton Loan Servicing, is equally frustrated. He restructured 2,000 loans last month to help subprime borrowers. This month, he'll do double that number, including changing the loan terms for 1,500 homeowners who have yet to fall behind but who wouldn't be able to afford their looming interest-rate increases. "We are modifying more loans than we ever have, and despite that, the foreclosure volume continues to increase, he said. Normally, his company, which collects mortgage payments and handles late payments, helps about 60% of homeowners avoid foreclosure after they fall behind on their subprime mortgages. But with tougher lending standards, falling home prices in many areas and a lot of poorly underwritten loans, he said he can modify only about 45% of the bad loans he has on his books. The housing crisis, Litton says, "is bigger than what people had originally thought. You're probably looking at a peak in these defaults in the third or fourth quarter of 2008." In light of the bruising publicity, shrinking income from delinquent loans and threat of further regulation, the mortgage industry is under growing pressure to help more homeowners in trouble. Most of the largest lenders have loosened their guidelines for modifying loans, where they can. On Tuesday, Countrywide Financial, (CFC) the nation's largest mortgage lender, will announce plans to refinance or modify $16 billion in subprime ARMs that will reset through next year. But the problems that created the mortgage crisis are complex, which makes it harder to find fast and broad-brush solutions. The majority of loans made in recent years were bundled and sold as securities, which have contractual terms that make it harder to renegotiate with delinquent borrowers. What's worse is that lending standards last year and early this year were recklessly low. Fraud was rampant. Many of the subprime borrowers who got loans simply shouldn't have. Those loans — no one knows how many — can't be saved. Proposals to help Federal and state policymakers, meantime, have been proposing a flurry of measures to help homeowners and to exert more control over the mortgage industry. The Bush administration unveiled a plan in August to reform the Federal Housing Administration and change the tax code. House and Senate committees have held hearings and voted on legislation to give housing agencies more latitude to help troubled homeowners. But it's unclear when any laws will be passed or how many homeowners they can rescue. House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., said Monday he's "not encouraged" by the pace of the financial industry's response to try to restructure loans. He's planning a regional meeting with lenders, servicers and community groups to try to spur better communication and faster action on loan restructurings or workouts. In a speech last week, Treasury Secretary Paulson warned that there's an "immediate need" for lenders to modify and refinance more loans. The housing downturn, Paulson declared, is "the most significant current risk to our economy" — a view shared by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke. More evidence of that risk is expected Wednesday and Thursday when figures on September home sales will be released. The numbers are expected to be dismal, with sales in the San Francisco area, for example, off 40% from a year ago, according to DataQuick Information Systems. Nationwide, foreclosed homes are swelling the glut of homes for sale. Those homes are weighing down property values and hurting sellers who've paid their loans on time. Brian Bethune, an economist at forecasting firm Global Insight, predicts that the economy will feel the brunt of the housing problems well into 2008. Global Insight expects the drop in residential investment to subtract what he calls a "massive" 1.5 percentage points from economic growth over the next six months. Considering that the potential growth rate of the economy is about 2.8%, that's effectively like "having a baseball team and instead of putting out nine players, you put out five," Bethune says. Economic fears will put pressure on the Federal Reserve to cut interest rates again when it meets next week. Yet some economists, such as Edward Leamer of the UCLA Anderson Forecast, don't think another cut is the answer. "The (Fed policymakers) need to close their eyes and pray at this point," Leamer said. "A cut in rates isn't going to revive the subprime market." In Michigan, Ohio and Indiana, the majority of homeowners who are falling behind on their mortgages are suffering from problems linked to job losses in the auto industry. About 20% of the nation's homes in foreclosure are in one of those three states. Jesse Jackson, head of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, toured cities in Michigan last week and will meet the Fed chairman Tuesday. "This is a huge economic tsunami that has the potential to really sink the economy," he told USA TODAY. In Michigan, 71% of African-Americans who bought or refinanced their home last year received a subprime loan, according to an analysis of federal loan data for Genworth Financial. (GNW) At the same time, in California, Florida and Arizona — the states with the most new defaults — many in default can't refinance because home prices are falling, and they owe more to the bank than their homes are worth. Katrina Vizinau of Community Housing Development of North Richmond, Calif., says about 90% of the people who call her group for help aren't able to refinance, because lenders say they have little or no equity in their homes. Further, many of her clients are late on their mortgage payments, meaning their credit scores have taken a hit. As federal regulators seek a coordinated response, Vizinau has had better responses from such major lenders as Bank of America (BAC) and Wells Fargo. (WFC) Most of Vizinau's clients are black and Latino. But she sees some older borrowers who were persuaded to refinance to tap into home equity. "What really breaks my heart is, it's not like they have time to start all over," she says. "They've used all the cash that they took out. They're just stuck, and they're just waiting. … They can't refinance because they're on a fixed income." Bair, the FDIC chair, wants lenders to take a more sweeping approach, instead of painstakingly reassessing each individual mortgage. She wants them to quickly move the estimated 80% of borrowers who have kept up their monthly payments at the starter rate of their ARMs into fixed-rate loans. "We have a mounting crisis here, and we need to take a systematic approach," Bair says. In the future, she says, the financial industry clearly needs tighter lending standards. But for borrowers who are already in high-cost adjustable-rate products, "I don't think you need to re-underwrite those loans. You have a two- or three-year payment history." Concern among loan servicers Some loan servicers, including Litton Loan Servicing, say Bair's plan would expose them to lawsuits from mortgage investors if the servicers reduce the interest rates on loans that aren't at serious risk of default. "The loan servicer has to walk the line of having a fiduciary duty to the investor and, at the same time, help homeowners stay in their house," Litton says. "We are required to look at each loan individually." A report from Moody's last month found that lenders modified a scant 1% of subprime ARMs. But Countrywide's CEO of Loan Administration Steve Bailey argued that Moody's analysis was flawed. Moody's took a static sample of loans and looked at how many had been restructured three months after the loan reset. Countrywide's own sample of 100 subprime ARMs showed that 43% of borrowers had paid off their loans eight months later, and 39% were still making their payments on time. What's more, Bailey says, many people forget that job loss or a reduction in income, followed by illness and divorce, are the most common reasons why people default on mortgages. In July, Countrywide found only 1.4% of borrowers had fallen behind as a result of a higher payment tied to an ARM reset. But Michael Kanef of Moody's says the increase in payment puts more stress on the borrower and raises the risk that the borrower will default in the future. Bailey counters: "If the primary driver of foreclosures is a significant reduction of income, and property values do not continue to appreciate, that is going to make foreclosures continue to rise, and there really isn't anything to fix that."
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It still seems like no one is getting it. The part about people being behind on their loans??? Because these servicers make sure of that!!! When is the fact that we are being lied to going to come out??? |
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Countrywide to refinance $16B in loans to avoid reset shock - Oct. 23, 2007 The number of those delinquent borrowers the program addresses is small, however. Of the 9 million loans Countrywide services, about 450,000 are at least 30 days late with 80,000 in some phase of foreclosure. The 10,000 delinquent borrowers to whom the company will offer rate reductions total only about 2 percent of Countrywide's late payers. According to Steve Bailey, Senior Managing Director of Loan Administration for Countrywide, the program has a limited target; it's aimed at borrowers with 2/28 and 3/27 hybrid ARMs that have reset recently or will adjust over the next 15 months. 
Countrywide: The Good, The Bad, Or The Ugly? KLEW Forbes - 2 hours ago There's an old saying that if you owe the bank a little bit of money, they own you, but if you own the bank a lot of money, you own them. Countrywide Moves to Ease Mortgage Misery BusinessWeek Countrywide offers help for reset shock CNNMoney.com Reuters.uk - San Jose Mercury News - The Associated Press - United Press International all 460 news articles » CFC |
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Actually we all get it; on this board anyway! That's why I started this particular thread. Most of us here on this board know it is all smoke and mirrors. We would love to see some of the rhetoric be true and real; people who need real help get it. But, precisely why this entire board was created will prevent many (read most) of this board from getting help. In one of my posts, I think I said that I even asked for the things that they are all shouting from the rooftops that they will be doing to 'help.' I was told no way!
Yes, the folks who have been improperly labeled as late, or who have been saddled with fees to which their payments were diverted, an then recorded late, will not get to play in Countrywide's program. Then, there are the servicers who will say they offered help to (fill in the number here), but neglect to say that the offer was so awful that nobody (or few) accepted.
So that's why I wanted to start counting people to see if anyone was actually offered help, and if so, if it was favorable. The data suggest that so far reality doesn't quite measure up to the press releases...which I suppose is no surprise to most of us here!
I hope before this is all over. that I will be proven wrong! We will see. Thanks for pointing out what many of us have been thinking!!
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Reply with quote | #34 | O - Doug Krizner: There's a ticking time-bomb in the mortgage market. Initial teaser rates on about 2 million subprime loans will expire over the next 18 months. That means homeowners will see a big jump in their mortgage payments.
There's been a rush to find new loans with better terms. From WCPN in Cleveland, Mhari Saito reports not all homeowners are getting one.
Mhari Saito: Betty Bohannon had no intention of buying a house. But in 2004, she got a deal too good to pass up. Her landlord offered to sell her the home she'd been renting, and a loan officer gave her an adjustable rate mortgage with low initial rates. The officer told her she'd be able to refinance soon. Betty Bohannon: When I signed the papers, he sit there and he promised. And I'm believin' him, not . . . you know, just naive.
Now, three lenders have turned her down for a refinance, and her payments have climbed $300 a month. Like thousands of other homeowners, she's finding that she doesn't qualify or can't afford to refinance. So she's asking her lender to change the written terms of her loan. Countrywide Financial Representative: On your request for modification, we just got that assigned to a negotiator today.
Bohannon: So what does that mean?
Bohannon sits in front of a speaker phone, one of several homeowners on a call with Countrywide Financial. Countrywide services her loan. Countrywide Financial Representative: We won't have an update status until they start drawing the documents on it.
Bohannon: Oh. I just don't know what to say. It just seems like I'm getting the runaround here.
Marc Seifert with the nonprofit housing agency, ESOP, organized the call. He says these days, lenders are now more willing to change loan terms. But he's had little luck with Countrywide, the nation's largest mortgage-lender. Marc Seifert: We get nothing out of these phone calls, except they get to say, "Oh, we're talking to ESOP on a regular basis." Well, talking and producing are two different things.
Countrywide declined to comment. In a recent press release, Countrywide says it will modify 25,000 loans this year. That's not very many against the 9 million loans it services. Moody's Investors Service says that loan servicers have modified only 1 percent of subprime loans that reset in January, April, and July. That means homeowners like Bohannon might decide it's easier to just let their loan go bad. Bohannon: So, I've just made up my mind. If they don't change it, I'll find me a place to stay. And then, they can have that house.
In Cleveland, I'm Mhari Saito for Marketplace. Marketplace: Homeowners brace for subprime leap |
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Reply with quote | #35 | The Blotter: A Deal Too Good To Be True?: Katrina Victims Say Mortgage Lender Misled Them

Listen to the Countrywide Call. According to the Goodwins' lawyer, Jill Bowman, that is just a cover-up. "Quite frankly what happened is they decided not to keep this promise," she told ABC News. "I think because it was going to cost them money." For the Hellmers in Louisiana, Countrywide's broken promise means paying $200 more a month than they were before Hurricane Katrina. "They took advantage of people while they were down," she said. "They created more of a financial hardship for us than the hurricane did." Countrywide has denied the allegations, and in a statement to ABC News, says it "has been diligently working with customers to develop individual repayment plans." |
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